Montana Stockgrowers Association – Life Planning Seminar: Part 2

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Are 1031s Good or Bad?

I would call myself 1031 neutral. They have to fit and sometimes we try too hard to make them fit. I see it both ways in going to a larger property or downsizing or selling off a small chunk. Both ways have their strategies and reasons for the transaction. I would like to show you a couple of strategies I have seen work without being forced.

I sat down with a potential client that said as long as no names were mentioned I could tell his story. He started small, although, in his mind he thought it was big. He bought a parcel saw it appreciate and rolled it into a bigger more attractive piece using a 1031 exchange. He has done this 4 times over 20 years and has been able to defer over $3.5 million in capital gain taxes. Of course, I said yeah but when you do have to finally pay, OUCH! His answer intrigued me. I will either hold or just keep rolling gains until I die then my kids get the new cost basis and it will be very satisfying on my death bed knowing I have beat Uncle Sam. His thought process is as long as Uncle Sam keeps printing money that land is a pretty safe place to be, especially, if you are using tax free dollars the whole way.

The other story was in the opposite direction was but by no means less interesting and yes I have permission to tell you about it. A large land owner had gotten to the point of many farmers and ranchers that age and energy was starting to become an issue. They loved their place and the lifestyle but wanted to travel and not be tied down quite as much. They agreed to sell a portion of their property to lessen the work and become more liquid. Since they sold the biggest portion of their property and had considerable gains, they coincided the 1031 sale with as much capital gain losses from other financial assets so they could offset the capital gain from the 1031 sale. Many people don’t sometimes realize that they can be carry forwarding capital gains losses that they have not been able to use, if they have not been able to offset them with gains through the years. And sometimes we need to take potential losses in a certain year to offset gains in that same year. I will give myself an assist on this one since I mentioned they should make an appointment with their accountant to talk through strategy before putting the property on the market. They purchased an income producing property with some of the proceeds and offset the rest with long term capital gain losses. Dollars were saved and I now have a spot at the dinner table anytime I’m passing through.

1031 Exchange1031s are not super painful but timing can be the biggest issue and there are lots of rules. As a seller, you have to identify to the Title Company that this transaction will be a 1031. You have 45 days to identify properties that you are interested in and 180 days to close on the property of choice. The properties have to be like kind properties and taxes are deferred. This is not just an individual opportunity since most legal entities can do a 1031 exchange. If you think there is a chance of doing a 1031 but your not sure, it will cost you several hundred dollars for the option. If it doesn’t happen it just becomes a taxable transaction like if you had never done a 1031. Beyond that all the paperwork is handled by the 1031 Exchange agent. There are rules if your new transaction does not cover the full value of the property you sold and all depreciation on the sold property will be recaptured at the time of sale.

There are numerous small technical rules that I did not go into for the fear of putting you to sleep. I strongly encourage the use of CPAs, Tax Attorneys and 1031 Exchange companies to safeguard that you are following all the rules and understand the technicalities going into the transaction. I also would say having that consultation before the transaction starts is important. Planning in advance saves time and money and relieves a lot of stress!

VWR DisclaimerDisclaimer:  Any tax or legal advice contained in this article is not intended or written to be used without consulting your own CPA or Tax Attorney. It is only written for informational use and as an example for discussion.

 

Here are some recent reviews from previous attendees to this Seminar:

Excellent presentation…I learned a lot! D.W

Please send an invite to the Stockgrowers’ Presentation. I want to go again. H. &P. K

I want to come to the Workshop in Billings. M.J.

 

We hope to see you soon. In the meantime, please send us your questions about your future issues or plans. As you think about all of the financial options available – the strategies, legal structures, tax consequences, estate planning, real estate needs, or financial planning opportunities-what do you want to know? If you email your questions to buzz@venturewestranches.com, we will do our best to weave them into our presentation (without identifying you) so you can get the answers you need.

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About Buzz Tatom

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Buzz Tatom is a ranch owner and has built, run and sold numerous businesses in his career. This gives him a unique background in helping Montana farmers and ranchers navigate the life decisions that we all have to face. Whether it is passing the ranch on to the next generation or planning for eventual sale, his talents and contacts help save clients money and navigate complicated transactions.

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He still owns the 5T Ranch in Texas but now calls Big Sky, MT home. His background in Texas included finding run down ranches and rehabilitating them into show place properties. From building lakes, stocking fish, to managing for wildlife he has a proven record of increasing values of properties that have given families great memories and returns.

His successful business background allows him to have good knowledge in contracts, dealing with people and has a wide variance of knowledge from his experience in dealing with oil and gas companies on his properties to manufacturing background to knowing who to call to get answers.

He has a BBA from Texas Tech University and got his MBA from Southern Methodist University. While at Texas Tech, he played football and was a 3 year starter as a Tight End. He bought into a Printing company at the age of 24 and grew it ten fold by the time it was sold in 2011.

Buzz teaches part time at Montana State University and loves mentoring students. He has been married to the love of his life, Kathy Tatom, for 25 years and has one son(Tate) and 2 daughters(Sayler and Emmy).

His hobbies include hunting, fly fishing, improving the 5T and following his son Tate in his golf career at the Air Force Academy. His life is divided between family, volunteering, teaching part time at MSU and Church.

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